Please do NOT include any actual patient medical records with your question. Can selective catheter placement be reported when documentation states: A4Fr JR 4.0 catheter was advanced to the aorta and positioned at the vessel origin(common iliac) under fluoroscopic guidance. Right and left side. Cardiologist documents R/L heart cath with cors in addition to bilateral iliac angiography for arteriosclerosis. Department reported 93460. Look forward to your response.
Please do NOT include any actual patient medical records with your question. My physician have started doing abdominal arteriogram (75625) on patients who come in for LHC and RHC for possible TVAR procedures.Here is the preop diag. and the finding below. preoperative diag: The pt has moderate to severe aortic stenosis by suface echo and present for evaluation of his coronary arteries and aortic valve for consideration of possible percutaneous aortic valve replacement vs tranditional repair. Findings: Abdominal Aortography: The patient was found to have calcified iliac vessels..diameter 1.6cm lt and rt iliac. My question is should I code G0278 or 75625 or can you code for this procedure when there is only a possible of a TVAR?
The CPT code book lists one CPT code for coronary stent initial and one CPT code for additional - no reference to type of stent used. There are G codes for CMS patients and those state drug eluting stents. My question: do we charge differently based on bare metal stent placement or drug eluting stent placement? We have been told to have charge codes for bare metal stent placement at one price, and another charge code for drug eluting stent placement at a different price for non-CMS patients. Is this correct?
DR. Z, The patient came in for AV fistula creation and in the same setting it states 'using ultrasound, the upper extremity was mapped. Based on the findings from the ultrasound decision was made to proceed with a left basilic vein transposition.' Not sure if this is good enough to code 'G0365'along with the creation of AV fistula? Is this ultrasound mapping included in the AV fistula performed in the same setting? Sometimes we see an order stating vein mapping or pre op for AV fistula creation and the procedure is bilateral venogram, please clarify when and what kind of documentation suports 'G0365'? Thanks
"Deflation of the balloon was unsuccessful with slip-tip syringe. Using a 25 gauge lidocaine needle, the gastrostomy balloon was ruptured for complete decompression. Gastrostomy tube was then pulled with traction. A sterile dressing was applied." Is there a CPT code for gastrostomy tube explant?
Dr Z: My surgeon performed an atherectomy of the distal right popliteal artery. At the same session, he performed an atherectomy of the proximal portion of a right femoral-tibial bypass vein graft near its origin from the common femoral artery. Do we only bill 37225 once since we are in the femoral/popliteal area on both the vein graft and native artery and on the same side or can we bill 37225 and 37225-59 with the vein graft being considered a separate vessel? Thanks for your help.
Hello, I need help :) The surgeon did a Graft Thrombecomy with revision (36833). He then did a fistula gram (36147) and because of stenosis in the venous outflow did an PTA (35476 & 75978-26). And a segmental incisiion of graft & overlying skin with primary closure??? Separate incision and closure.. Diag: End-stage renal disease, thrombosed graft fistula with recurrent bleeding from the false aneurysm of arterial limb of the graft with skin erosion. After revison/thrombecomy proc; The inflow was then tapered due to the incision..sheath removal of the graft was clamped proxiamally and distally, sheath withdrawn and sheath hole closed with sutures. Clamps released and palpable thrill was present along the graft, hemostasis was obtained. Counts ere correct x2. The wounds were closed in layers with Vicryl & Monocryl for teh skin Dermabond waa applied to seal wounds. This is what I am not sure about: Incision was then made to excise the sutured skin at the site of graft bleeding. The skin was excised as well as the underlying graft. No evidence of infection. The wound was reapproximated with nylon suture. Because this was a separate incision and it was done after the revision was completed, he feels he should get credit for the work. Since the graft was no infected, I am thinking this is still a part of the revision but not 100% sure. Your advice would be so appreciated! Thanks you!
Dr. Z: Would following be consider one operative field or two separate operative fields?: Following removal of an existing nephrostomy tube and placement of a new tube through a separate access site, active bleeding was noted from the lower pole of the left kidney to the posterior abdominal wall from the old nephrostomy tract. Embolization was performed on a segmental branch of the left kidney. Followup angiograms confirmed adequate occlusion of the vessel. A small focus of contrast extravastion was seen in the hematoma in the left posterior abdominal wall, fed by the left T12 intercostal artery. The T12 artery was embolized. Thank you for your assistance!
This is my first ever case where the physician is doing an angioplasty of the tract of a gastrostomy because of stenosis. Wouldn’t I code for the angioplasty? If so is this considered an open angioplasty or an unlisted code? Your feedback is greatly is appreciated.
Hello, I recently heard a rumor that the Radiologist has to state within the report that hard copy sonographic images were obtain for us to be able to bill out 76942. Is this correct? Your feedback is greatly appreciated.. Thanks so much for all your help....
Do you have any information on what code will be replacing deleted HCPCS code G0275?
We are in discussion with the hospital about billing for intervention on a branch of a major artery. We have a situation where the physician intervened on the LAD (92928, not during an MI), and there was some plaque shift into the diagonal branch of the LAD. Physician then did angioplasty (92921) on the diagonal branch. Can we show that this was performed? (I know we, as physicians, don’t get paid, but we need to show it was performed.) The hospital says no because the physician caused the shift of the plaque.
For example, 93458 done, and femoral angio performed with the intent of placing a closure device. Decision made not to place the device. How should this scenario be coded? Also, same scenario and closure device was placed how should that be coded? Within our cath lab we have debated this round and round and I would like the clearest guideline.
Dr. Z, Question#4. If the physician perform a congenital or a non-congenital heart cath can the code 36010 be assigned along with 75827 or 75825 if the documentation supports? I think thing this can be used with a -59 but then again if the physician already has the catheter within the parameter of the heart/headed towards the SVC or IVC to take a picture then it seems that it can be an inclusive code.??
Hi Dr. Z and Dr. Dunn, I have a couple of questions regarding required documentation. If a report lists hemo measurements, including systolic and end diastolic LV pressures, does the note also have to have specific verbiage stating 'the catheter crossed the aortic valve' or 'the catheter was pulled back (out of the valve)'? Wouldn't the documentation of those measurements be sufficient enough to bill for a left heart cath? On a similar note, does the report have to specifically state 'the coronary arteries were selectively injected' if the purpose of the exam is to evaluate CAD and the coronary vessels and any disease is described? CPT states that 'catheter palcement(s) in coronary arteriy(ies) involves selective engagement of the origins of the native coronary artery(ies)for the purpose of coronary angiography.' I would interpret this as catheter placement in the coronary artery itself or in the aorta at the origins of the left and right arteries. Your thoughts? Thank you so much.
Hi! I'm hoping to get some insight on coding this procedure. Some think it could be a exploration, a repair of a vessel, or a revision. BRIEF HISTORY: The patient is a 42-year-old gentleman who has had multiple AV access operations performed on his right arm. He presently appears to have a hybrid access with a vein to artery anastomosis but a more distal graft. He came to the hospital with this access thrombosed. He underwent percutaneous intervention for opening of the access and this was successful; however, the procedure resulted in a large hematoma in the antecubital fossa. This has been painful. It has not shown any sign of resolution. We studied it in the vascular laboratory yesterday because it was pulsatile. We did not find a false aneurysm. However, I reasoned that the hematoma had sealed or at least was causing intermittent sealing of the puncture site. Given the size of the hematoma, the patient required evacuation and exploration. He comes to the operating room at this time for this purpose. DETAILS OF PROCEDURE: The patient was brought into the operating room and placed on the table in the supine position. His right arm was placed at his side on an armboard and was prepared with ChloraPrep and sterilely draped in the usual manner. Supplemental oxygen was given. Vital signs were monitored. Sedation was induced. Timeout was performed. Operation was initiated with the infiltration of 1% lidocaine and 0.5% Marcaine solution into the skin and subcutaneous tissues of the antecubital fossa. Then, a transverse incision was made incorporating the puncture site. Incision was carried into the subcutaneous tissues. The hematoma was encountered and there was some bright red blood within the hematoma. I evacuated the hematoma and as soon as I did, I was met with pulsatile bleeding. I put my finger on the source of bleeding and then opened the incision wide enough to gain access. At the depths of the hematoma, the AV fistula had a puncture site that appeared to be about 8 French in size. Suction was held to control the stream of blood flow and the puncture was closed with 4-0 Prolene suture. Approximately 200 milliliters of blood was lost during this maneuver. Once the puncture site had been sutured, the wound was irrigated and the hematoma and walls of the false aneurysm were further evacuated. Then bleeders were controlled with electrocautery. Subcutaneous tissues were closed in 2 layers of interrupted and then running 3-0 Vicryl. Skin was closed with a running 4-0 Monocryl suture reinforced with skin sealant. A sterile compression dressing was applied. The patient tolerated the procedure well. As noted, blood loss was about 200 milliliters. No blood replacement was required.
Good morning, After checking national CCI edits we have a question. When billing for a cardiac cath 93456 is the heparinization inclusive (CPT 93463) or billable separately? We ask because the description of 93456 says includes contrast imaging. Thank you, Jackie
How would you code a proper hepatic artery to right hepatic artery bypass with a reversed greater saphenous vein?
Hello, Could you please tell me if a first order or second order should be billed when doing a liver bx with pressures? The catheter is in the selected Right Hepatic Vein. Contrast is injected. The catheter is put in the Wedge position for pressures. Then core bx is performed. Also, can the venogram w/pressures be billed 75889.59 with 52 for the pressures? Thank you so much.
Is there a code for the calcium stimulaton? thanks! PROCEDURE: Following informed consent, and verification of the appropriate patient identification and procedure be performed, the right groin was sterilely cleaned, prepped and draped. Local anesthesia was achieved with lidocaine 2%. Via a right common femoral vein a 5-French vascular sheath was placed. Through this a 5-French Simmons-2 catheter (modified with two extra side holes 0.5 cm from the tip) was advanced over a wire into the right hepatic vein (second order). Selective right hepatic venography was performed confirming location. Subsequently via a right common femoral artery puncture a 5-French vascular sheath was placed. Through this a 5 French RC-I catheter was advanced into the celiac artery and celiac arteriography was performed. Subsequently the catheter was advanced to 5 super selective vessels. These included A: The distal splenic artery just proximal to the pancreaticomagna artery, B: The proximal splenic artery just proximal to the dorsal pancreatic artery, C: Proximal common hepatic artery, : The gastroduodenal artery proximal to the superior pancreaticoduodenal arcade and E: The superior mesenteric artery proximal to the inferior pancreaticoduodenal arcade. In each super selective site catheterized, selective arteriography was performed. Following selective arteriography the patient was administered calcium gluconate, 10%, 5 cc (0.025 mEq of calcium/kg) intraarterially and right hepatic venous blood samples were drawn 0 seconds, 30 seconds, 60 seconds, and 120 seconds following administration of the intraarterial calcium. This resulted in 20 samples obtained from the right hepatic vein sent for insulin level analysis. The catheters were removed and hemostasis obtained at the puncture sites. FINDINGS: There is classic celiac anatomy. The dorsal pancreatic, pancreaticomagna, gastroduodenal artery, superior pancreaticoduodenal arcade and inferior pancreaticoduodenal arcade are normal. The superior and mesenteric artery and its branches are normal. The right hepatic venogram is normal. No hypervascular tumor was identified angiographically. IMPRESSION: Super selective mesenteric angiography with calcium stimulation and simultaneous selective hepatic venous sampling for insulin levels.
Hi Dr. Z, we appreciate your knowledge and expertise, and we can sure use it on the following scenerio. I think we are ok on how to code all the procedures here except for the removal of the HERO. It would stand to reason that if the insertion would be 36558 and 36830-52, then the removal would be 36589 and then a code for a revision/removal/ligation of the AV fistula graft, but I don't see this described here, are we missing something? Did he just simply disconnect the catheter portion from the fistula portion? Thank you so much for your help PREOPERATIVE DIAGNOSES: 1. Chronic kidney disease, stage V, presently dialyzing with dysfunctional right femoral TCC and thus for removal of the same: 2. Thrombosed left jugular HeRO device for removal of same. 3. No further need for IVC filter and thus for removal of same. POSTOPERATIVE DIAGNOSES: 1. Chronic kidney disease, stage V, presently dialyzing with dysfunctional right femoral TCC and thus for removal of the same: 2. Thrombosed left jugular HeRO device for removal of same. 3. No further need for IVC filter and thus for removal of same. NAME OF PROCEDURE: 1. Cutdown exposure of the HeRO catheter at the left jugular insertion site with removal of the HeRO catheter. 2. Removal of IVC filter through the left jugular approach. 3. Replacement of a left jugular tunneled cuffed catheter, 23-cm precurved Palindrome catheter. 4. Removal of right femoral TCC catheter. DESCRIPTION OF PROCEDURE: The patient's left neck and chest were prepped and draped in the usual sterile fashion after adequate satisfactory general endotracheal anesthesia was obtained. The left jugular HeRO catheter insertion site incision was reopened and the HeRO catheter isolated at this location. The catheter entrance tract was encircled with a 3-0 Prolene pursestring suture. The HeRO catheter was then divided and a guidewire passed down into the vena cava through the HeRO catheter followed by complete removal of the HeRO catheter and replacement with a 13-French sheath. The sheath was then replaced with a Cook IVC filter retrieval kit which was passed through the wire and used to remove the IVC filter without any difficulty. The filter retrieval kit was then exchanged once again for a 13-French sheath followed by placement of 22-cm precurved Palindrome catheter which was tunneled subcutaneously and delivered out over the course of the guidewire insertion site. The large dilator and introducer assembly were then passed over the guidewire after removal of the 13-French sheath and positioned in the right heart under fluoroscopic guidance. The guidewire and dilator were then removed and a 23-cm Palindrome catheter passed through the introducer and positioned in the right heart under fluoroscopic guidance. The peel-away introducer was then removed. The pursestring suture was then tied at the catheter insertion site and the catheter insertion incision was closed in layers using 3-0 and 4-0 suture. The catheter was then secured at the exit site to the chest wall using nylon suture. Sterile dressings were then applied. At this point, the patient's right femoral TCC catheter was prepped and draped and then removed. A sterile dressing was applied at the right groin. The procedure was then completed and the patient awakened, extubated and taken to the recovery room in stable condition.
Could you please help? I have searched data base and can't find examples of the HeRO catheter embolectomies (only placement 36830-52 and 36558-51). Have two operations that incision is made and fogarty catheter was then used to perform embolectomy of the venous end of the graft and the arerial end of thegraft to removed organized blood clot(only one 36831). Then the HeRO catheter was embolectomized with a fogarty catheter also. Following this good flow was noted throughout the catheter. Venogram of the AV graft was perfromed on the vnous end and arteriogram was performed in the subclavian artery (no charge??) Following this the graft was repaired with suture and incision was closed with sutures and staples. Does the HeRO embolectomy qualify as a seperate 36831-5951 charge? Thanks, Kim.
Have you heard of the Hero Device? Can we bill 36558 and 36830 for implanting the device? I don't think so but I need clarification. Thank you,
Greetings A physician is placing a HERO graft. He angioplasties a stenosis in the vessel to place the HERO. Can we charge for the angioplasty, or is it part of the Hero placement. Thanks, LW
Dr. Z. What codes would you use for the radiologic services provided in the O.R. for a Hero graft placement? Basically, the tech is providing fluoro and saving pertinent images for the vascular surgeon. Thanks, Judy A.
What should we charge for HERO Graft insertion? Unlisted or is there a code to discribe the procedure? Thank you!
I have a physician dictating angioplasty of a high grade stenosis of the fistula adjacent to the arterial anastomosis. He does not state that he's actually doing the plasty of the arterial anastomosis, just the high grade stenosis adjacent to it. For the angioplasy of the arterial anastomosis (35475), I need the doctor to state that is what was plastied as opposed to a stenosis proximal to the arterial anastomosis or adjacent as this one is dictated... am I correct?
Drainage and catheter placement in hip and/or knee. Should you report code 20610 or 10160 with imaging code?
Please do NOT include any actual patient medical records with your question. Hi Dr. Z, If we used 93230 cpt in 2010 for the holter monitor, which code would we use in 2011 to replace 93230? If we used 93224 cpt in 2010 for the holter monitor which code would we use in 2011 to replace 93224? Thank you so much for your help Geri Elliott Norva Medical Billing, Inc. email@example.com
I am writing to request an explanation for the answer given to a test question in the Basic Catheter Selection module exam. The question was exactly as stated: Correct code(s) for left femoral access with catheter placed into the right superficial artery for angiogram is (are: 36247, 36246, 36245 36247, 36200 36247 36247, 36140 The correct answer was indicated as 36247. I cannot see how that was selected. Is the cath placement in the right superficial FEMORAL artery (femoral was not in the test question, but I assumed that was the vessel in question); if so, the access was on the left and the diagram Lower Extremity Arterial Anatomy Right Transfemoral Approach leads me to 36245 for the right leg in this diagram. 36247 is the code for the left leg. I think the left approach is starting me off on the wrong diagram and I need to choose the code based on the Order of the vessel selected (3rd order, initial, lower extremity) and the fact that it is a selective (placed) catheter. Please explain how to use the diagram to simplify Basic Catheter Selection. Thanks so very much for your extremely helpful webinars, but I do want to be sure I get the basics down pat now.
Greetings Dr. Zeilske or Dr.Dunn, We have lately started receiving denials from at least Humana, Cigna, and Tricare, maybe others, when reporting 36140, 36200, 36245-36248 when submitted with 75710 or 75716. We have recently found on the Humana website that on June 24, 2011 Humana has published an edit that "36140, 36200, 36245-36248 will not be separately reimbursed when submitted with 73706, 75635, 75710 or 75716". Are you familiar with any such edit or coding change that would support the insurance denials not to pay the cath placement with the diagnostic study? Our surgeons regularly perform the diagnostic angiograms and we of course report the catheter placement as well as the radiological supervision and interpretation. (of note, no cath is reported with interventions, of course. Cath only reported with the diagnostic studies). Thank you for any insight you may have to how / why the insurance carriers have developed this edit to deny the catheterization with 75710 / 75716. Thank you
My physician performed a cutdown thrombectomy on PTFE dialysis graft arterial and venous anastomosis. Then he angioplastied the venous stenosis (severe recoil) and then placed a stent. The problem is, when he closes the graft he patch angioplastied, does this make it a revision of a dialysis graft? I know if we code this to a revision then the angioplasty and stent code are bunded. So do I code this as either: A) 36833/75791-2659, or B) 36831/75791-2659, 35460-51/75978-26, 37207-51/75960-26?
"Patient with congenital VSD is brought to cath lab for transcatheter VSD closure. They are unable to properly place the device, and the device and catheters are removed. They then make a small thoracotomy incision and place a sheath through the RV and deploy the closure device from there. Sheath is removed, and the RV and thoracotomy incisions are closed." Would this be reported with code 33999 (unlisted cardiac surgery), or could it be reported using code 33681 (closure, VSD with/without patch)?
Dr. Z, How do we charge intercool insertion, an invasive catheter that stays in the body for hypothermia done in cath lab? Since it is CVC can we charge 36556 77001? Thanks
Hello, Please clarify cpt coding for iodine 131 administered through the gastric feeding tube for papillary thyroid cancer (thyroid surgically removed). Is it unlisted? Thank you
Codes 33970/ 33967... Can we charge these codes more than once on the same patient with the same date of service?
If a pt comes to the cath lab with a IABP in place and it is taken out and Impella is put in and then in the same setting the Impella is taken out and a IABP is put back in, can I code for IABP removal and another insertion?
When IABP insertion and removing on the same day, Medicare has '0' edit. However, recent cardiology coding alert suggested using a -59 modifier to charge both. Can you please clarify?
If we have a stent placement in the cervical ICA, we use codes 37215/37216. Do we use code 61635 if the stent is placed in the intracranial portion of the ICA?
I need some help coding the following. The patient was brought to the heart catherization laboratory and draped in the usual sterile fashion. Consent was obtained prior to the procedure. IV conscious sedation as given using Versed and fentanyl thoughout the case. Next we attempted to cannuulate the left subclavian vein.We then took a venogram of the left subclavian vein and it was found to have diffuse collaterals and no good discrete subclavian vein to proceed with the implant on that side. Therefore, we went to the right side of the patient and we took a venogram and this time there were good images seen of the right subclavian vein. Next approximately 15Ml of lidocaine were used to anesthetize the planned pacemaker pocket on the right side of the patient.Next using Seldinger techinique two subclavian access sites were obtained and then the pacemaker pocket was created using a scapel and cautery. At this point over a 7-French introducer sheath the right ventricular lead was positioned into place near the lower RV septum. This sheath was torn and peeled away and another 7-French introducer sheath was inserted and the lead was then placed at the right atrial appendage. RV pacing leads were kept on the patient due to the fact that he had a baseline left bundle branch block. Next the coronary sinus sheath was inserted and a specific sheath for the right-sided coronary sinus was inserted and using a J-tipped guidewire we able and contrast we were successfully able to cannulate the coronary sinus. Tehre was found to be a mild lateral vein though small which was used as our planned placement for the LV lead. At this point the LV was positioned over a coronary guidewire into the mid lateral vein and successfully wedged into that position. The sheath was then slit appropriately and the lead was kept in place. At this point pacing thresholds were also checked here and they were within normal limits. Next the sheath was torn and peeled away and all 3 leads were sutured using 0 silk to the left pectoral muscle. Next antibiotic solution with consisting of Bacitracin and gentamicin was used to flush the pocket at this point. At this point 2-0 and 4-0 Vicryl sutures were used to close the pocket. Steri-strips were applied on the skin level. The estimated fluoro time would be 25 minutes. Implanted Device: Boston Scientific Guidant Contact Renewal CRT pacemaker. the patient had a heart cath with grafts: 93459-26 ICD Insertion: 33249 33225 71090-26 Is this correct codes to use?
Dr. Z, I attended the course in Nashville as well as the one in Vegas the year before. We are having issues with the CPT code 33224 LV lead placement. In the past, we have charged for the generator removal (pacemaker usually) 33233, place the LV lead and put in the new ICD (usually) generator. So, we would have had 33233, 33224 and 33249 (because they would put in an ICD lead also), as well as fluoro. We didn’t realize that 33224 last year included the removal and replacement of the generator, which was always a new generator because the old generator couldn’t hold all three leads. My problem is that we were charging for the old generator to be removed and a new one placed and didn’t realize it was included in the code 33224. So our cost was much more than what it should have been, we are now realizing. One thing that might have kept us not getting any edits or have any other type of issue, is that the coders probably didn’t code that for payment(generator removal.) Our finance department can’t understand why the cost for an ICD placement is higher than a pacemaker placement. We are trying to stay budget neutral until this budget year is over. Ours runs from June 1 to May 31. Is it normal for the ICD implant cost to be higher? I don’t have anything to do with setting cost, but need to try and help make this correct from here on out. Again, we didn’t have any issues with the bills or payments, so I feel that the coders were correcting the bill before it dropped for billing. Any insight would be very much appreciated. Hope to attend the Nashville seminar again this year. Thanks,
Hi Dr. Z, I am having a problem with coding an ICD case. The paient had a single chamber ICD put in for primary protection in 2003. He is back for replacement of his depleted generator, and also an upgrade to a Bi-v ICD due to his worsening CHF (class 111), EF of 29% conduction delay on ekg, with QRS duration of greater than 120. He is an out patient. He received a Bi-v ICD generator, atrial lead and a bi-v lead. I coded 33249, 33241, and 33255. I did not use the Q0 modifier because of the existing ICD and I thought the Q0 was only for new ICD inserts. MR coded 428.22 as the diagnosis code. 33249 hit an edit for a modifier, or addd't diagnosis code. " 33249 requires a modifier, or a diagnosis (per CR3604) must be present if the AICD is for secondary prevention of sudden cardiac arrest. I was told that V53.32 could not be used because of the upgrade. Should I use Q0 to bypass the edit? Thanks, Dr. Z Diane
Patient received a "down grade" in a device. Patient had a BIV ICD and we replaced it with a BIV PPM. We coded 33229, removal and replacement of a BIV PPM, is this correct?
Good morning DrZ...I was wondering if you could help with this case. Procedure Performed: 1)Explant of a BiV ICD, 2)Tunneling of the right ventricular ICD and a left ventricular paciong lead from the left subclavian to right subclavian 3)Placement of a new biventricular cardioverter defibrillator. I coded it, 33241, 33215, 33226, 33240. However, 33226 includes removal and insertion and moving the pacer to the right was more work then just repositioning LV lead. Can you help me? Thanks, Melissa
Dr. Z, I am being told that when coding ICD implant (33249)and DFT testing (93641) to use a diagnosis code of 427.41 for 33249, because during DFT test the patient was induced into V-fib. My understanding of NCD 20.4 number 1, is that v-fib is used when the patient has a documented episode of cardiac arrest due to V-fib not due to a transient or reversible cause.No where in the medical record can I find where the patient has had cardiac arrest due to V-fib and there fore I have been using what the report says and assigning 414.8 with QO mod and assigning 427.41 for the DFT test (93641). Is it appropriate to assign 427.41 to 33249 because the patient was induced into v-fib for the DFt test? Thankyou
What are the appropriate codes for a NIPS study (EP study performed through a patient's exisiting device) and termination of an arrhythmia through a patient's pre-exisiting device? Is it code 93724 (pacer) and code 93642 (ICD)?
Hello Dr Z. Question on new 2012 Rhythm Device Coding. The patient has a ICD (single lead) and presents for a Upgrade to BiV ICD (dual lead)Would it be coded as: Removal of ICD generator (33241) Insert ICD generator, multi(33231) Insert BiV lead (33225) Insert New lead (atrial) (33216) Thanks for your help Melissa
Will your 2014 live seminars discuss ICD-10-CM and/or ICD-10-PCS coding? If so, in how much detail?
Please do NOT include any actual patient medical records with your question. We use ICD9 Code 424.0 for Mitral Valve disorder, 424.1 for Aortic Valve disorders and 424.2 Tricuspid Valve disorder., But our doctors want Endorcaditis of the Aortic, the Mitral and Tricuspid.Is theres such a ICD9 code for Endocarditis of the Aortic Valve, Endocarditis of the Mitral Valve and Endocarditis of the Tricuspid. Please Help. Thank You!
DR. Z or Dr. Dunn: I have a follow-up arteriogram post placement of coils. Diagnosticly speaking would we use the V58.73 and the current disease process that necessitated the placement of coils for this follow-up exam? Such as V58.73 and V12.59 or V58.73 and 437.3 Thanks for your in put.
I have question that maybe Ruth can help with concerning ICD 9 post op codes. I am not sure how long we can code for 997.1 post op complication. I see our physcians dictate post op afib after many procedures/ For Example: Pt has surgery by a "another" surgeon.. different practice. Develops post op Afib. Seen at hospital for post op Afib by one of our MDs. Placed on anti arrhythmic meds. Pt is seen a couple times over a couple month period while pt is on these new meds. 8-9 months after the initial hospital visit, the patient is seen back in office. MD has been trying to wean patient off the anti arrhythmic. Are we still using post op Afib at that 8-9 month visit?
Is there a specific code for placement of ICY catheter for patients who have had cardiac arrest and are being treated per the hyperthermia protocol?
Dr. Z, I am having difficulty understanding the bundling and reporting for code 0238T. 1. In the case of an atherectomy in conjunction with a PTA in the iliac artery territory, would you add code 0238T to the primary code 37220? 2. In the case of an atherectomy in conjunction with a stent in the iliac artery territory, would you add code 0238T to the primary code 37221? Thank you for your time!
Dear docs-I was hoping you could help with when can you charge ballooning the iliac for an EVAR placement (and anything else I might be missing)Can I charge 37220 for stenosis when I am not sure that this isn't just for the clearing the way for deployment? And is there really an extension being placed? (including preop discussion, hopefully that helps) In the office in the preoperative area, we had a discussion with the patient regarding the difficult nature of the aneurysm including poor iliac access, high-grade stenosis of the iliac and the need for fem-fem bypass graft. We explained the creation or placement of an aortomonoiliac bypass graft with a fem-fem crossover. Bilateral groins were opened in a vertical fashion. We dissected down to the common femoral, profunda femoris, superficial femoral artery junction. 34812-50 I cannulated the right common femoral artery without complications or difficulty and inserted a wire into the aorta. This was followed by a sheath, flush catheter and then the wire was switched out for stiff wire. Catheter and wires were removed as needed to perform angiography. Please recall that the left common iliac artery is completely occluded. 36200-59RT We performed balloon dilatation of the external iliac artery prior to deployment of the stent graft. 37220-LT The patient was heparinized prior to any ballooning and we planned for the placement of a distal extension and this was carried out by placing a 1610 limb with 124 length in the aneurysm sac and out into the common iliac artery through preexisting stents. 34825/75953-26 A 20 20, 82 limb was then placed with sufficient overlap with the 10 16, 124 graft and finally an Endurant cuff, which was a 32 32 x 49 was placed in an infrarenal location. 34802-75952-26? Completion angiography demonstrated patent renal arteries bilaterally, no evidence of endoleak and widely patent aorto-mono-iliac bypass graft. Having this in mind, we removed the wires, catheters and sheaths and tunneled a piece of 8 mm ringed Gore-Tex from one incision to the other, created arteriotomies on the common femoral arteries and performed anastomosis of the end of the 8 mm bypass graft to the side of the common femoral artery with 6-0 Prolene suture. 34813 thank you so much for your expert opinion!!
Dr. Z, Patient came in with bony lesion iliac for bone biopsy. After administering anesthesia bone biopsy needle was advaced into the iliac bone. Satisfactory position was confirmed with CT. Approximately 3cc of bloody fluid was aspirated too. Multiple core biopsies were performed thorugh the 13-gauge cannula. Samples sent for both culture and cytology. Not sure what else we can charge for the aspiration along with bone biopsy? Please advice. Thanks
How do you code for an ilioplasty (bone). Would you think this is unlisted or do the T codes apply?
I just want to clarify what I read in this Q/A in the Jan 2011 newsletter please: Q: In 2010 I would code 93539 to check IMA for suitability for CABG. What would be used in 2011? A: Codes 93455, 93457, 93459, and 93461 describe coronary angiography(the blockages you found)and arterial/venous grafts (even if for evaluation of subsequent use as a graft, such as the IMA before it is a graft) by itself, with RHC, LHC,and RHC w/ LHC. So, it will just be part of the larger code. If this were a congenital case, then consider code 93564 for the IMA evaluation. In this answer, if a LHC is done + imaging the IMA for patency before CABG but the patient has no grafts at all. You would code the ungrafted IMA as if it were already grafted? CPT 93459 Thank you
Dr Z, Is guidance bundled in with an EP study? we have heard several different things. Also, If our doc. uses ultrasound guiance and flouroscopy during an icd or PPM placement can we bill 71090-26 and 76998-26? Thank you for your help Traci
Would you consider the following a reference to determine the age of an “infant”? CPT 99381 Initial comprehensive preventive medicine evaluation and management of an individual including an age and gender appropriate history, examination, counseling/anticipatory guidance/risk factor reduction interventions, and the ordering of laboratory/diagnostic procedures, new patient; infant (age younger than 1 year). If hip and lower extremity can be imaged on one film and the patient is 15 months old, would you code CPTs for hip and LE for tech component opps?
When can you code 92980 and 93508, and 93556 together?
Good morning! Our cath lab is going to be using the Impella Device in a case today and we were woundering how to go about coding it. We have seen a lot of different ways to go about coding it but are not sure what to go with. We saw where the website said to use 33999, 93799, 92970 but the actual package for the device says to use 33975 or 33975-52. Also is there HCPCS code that goes with it? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Our physicians are wanting to schedule patients who may need an Impella 2.5 to assist during cardiac stent procedures as outpatients. Code 33990 is an inpatient-only procedure. 3M Encoder and CPT Assistant still lead to code 33999 for this type of intervention. Will there be updates to CPT Assistant or the 3M Encoder to relay the new 2013 codes, as we are in May 2013 now and still no updates? Does code 33990 cover any situation that an Impella 2.5 would be used including during a coronary stent procedure and removed at the conclusion of the procedure?
Is there more information on the coding of the Impella Heart Assist Device, if we should use 33990 vs. 33999? The Encoder still specifically directs the use of 33999 with the keyword Impella even with a 2013 date of service. Your advice in 2012 was 33999, but you mentioned code 33990 would be available (which it is in 2013 CPT now). I'm hesitant to change the code without verification and contradicting the encoding system. Thanks for your help!!
There are many different scenarios in which we have used the impella lately and would like clarification as to when we can charge the removal on the same day as insertion. (Also trying to clarify definition of separate distinct session.) For instance: Impella inserted in cath lab for procedure that would be done in different department later in the day. At the end of the procedure in the other department, the Impella is removed. Impella inserted in cath lab for procedure in cath lab, but patient goes back to his room, and a few hours later when the MD is available, it is removed. Impella inserted in EP procedure room by cardiologist for a left heart catheterization by cath lab staff, followed by an EP procedure by EP staff. Hours later after the ablation, the Impella is removed by the cardiologist while still in the EP lab. The IABP is a different class of assist device but curious as to when it's appropriate to bill removal on the same day as well. We understand if put in for a procedure and removed at the end of a procedure, the removal is not billable. However, when put in for a procedure but left in for continued support (for a few hours) and then removed, can the removal be charged?
Dr. Z, Lets say that a physician performs a full right & left heart cath on a congenital patient followed obtaining pressure, sats, and a picture of either the SVC(75827) or IVC(75828) can these codes be applied? For example, 93531, 75827 (so in this case I would not apply the 36010) I think so but you know the physician want me to double check.
Using the glide catheter to deliver 4 mg of tPA, the entire AV fistula outflow tract was laced with tPA, and we subsequently introduced a 6 x 20 cm angioplasty balloon and macerated the thrombus in the AV fistula, performing a balloon dialtion of the entire AV fistula outflow tract. The question is, what code should I use to report the tPA? Code 37212 (venous) or 37211 (arterial)?
Please do NOT include any actual patient medical records with your question.RADIOPHARM INJ W/O IMG: Order Number: 90003 Date of Exam: Jan 31 2012 7:40AM EXAMINATION: RADIOPHARM IV INJECT W/O IMAGING CLINICAL HISTORY: Hyperparathyroidism. PROCEDURE: Radiopharmaceutical Injection Without Imaging RESULTS: PROCEDURE: 10.5 mCi Tc 99m Sestamibi was injected intravenously and no imaging in the Nuclear Medicine Department was performed. The patient was sent to Surgery for intraoperative localization of possible parathyroid tumor. IMPRESSION: 1. Please see above. what if anything can the Radiologist charge on the above for the professional portion?
Hello~ I am asking for clarification of your answer below. Q uestion: Does the new code 93463 include adenosine? Answer: Yes, if given and a repeat heart Cath is done. Code 93463 is for repeating the heart cath after infusion of a drug, not just giving a drug. Dr.z So if adenosine is given as part of the FFR, which includes pharma stressing, and the report reads: resting FFR across lesion is .9x following maximal adenosine infusion this jumps to .8x, showing no evidence of hemodynamically significant stenosis". We would not code 93463 additionally, but can you provide a situation that adenosine is used that we could? Thanks, Eileen
Hi, I'm not for certain how this would be coded? Would you suggest the unlisted spine code(22899) for this procedure? Thanks! PROCEDURE: Fluoroscopic guidance provided for baclofen pump access INDICATIONS: lower extremity spasticity CONSENT: The procedure was explained, risks/benefits/alternatives explained, questions answered and informed consent obtained from the patient. TIME-OUT:A pre-procedure time-out was performed to confirm patient identity and procedure. GUIDANCE: Fluoroscopic guidance TECHNIQUE: The patient was placed in supine position on the fluoroscopy table. The patient's right lower quadrant over the region of the baclofen pump implant was prepped and draped in standard sterile technique. A 25-gauge needle was used to access the baclofen pump implant, with the assistance of fluoroscopic guidance. No cerebral spinal fluid could be aspirated from the baclofen pump, suggestive of catheter dysfunction. Needle was removed and hemostasis obtained with manual compression. The patient returned to the recovery area in stable condition, and was subsequently discharged. FLUOROSCOPY TIME: 0.2 min IMPRESSION: Fluoroscopic guidance provided for baclofen pump access.
From the NCCI Manual: 3. A number of diagnostic and therapeutic cardiovascular procedures (e.g., CPT codes 92950-92998, 93501-93545, 93600-93624, 93640-93652) routinely utilize intravenous or intra-arterial vascular access, routinely require electrocardiographic monitoring, and frequently require agents administered by injection or infusion techniques. Since these services are integral components of the more comprehensive procedures, codes for routine vascular access, ECG monitoring, and injection/infusion services are not separately reportable. Fluoroscopic guidance is integral to diagnostic and therapeutic intravascular procedures and is not separately reportable. HCPCS/CPT codes describing radiologic supervision and interpretation for specific interventional vascular procedures may be separately reportable. Our recommendation is NO as it appears that you would absolutely be trying to get around correct coding per NCCI, CCI edits, and everything else that CMS has put into place to prevent you from coding that.
Dr. Z, In reference to an earlier coding question that you answered on July 6, 2011 we have a similiar coding question but need clarification if we should also use the CPT code 61070 and 77003. Our exam reads: (possible baclofen pump malfunction) The catheter access of the pump was punctured with a 24 G needle and aspiration retrieved 3 cc of clear fluid. Under flouroscopic control a total of 5 cc of contrast was injected into the pump catheter. Intrathecal subarachnoid spread of contrast was noted at the tip of the catheter in the thoracic spine. Spot films to document the course of the pump catheter were taken and there was no evidence of rupture. IMP: baclofen pump catheter contrast study and myelogram w/o complications. Aspiration of CSF was successful. They have been previously coded as myleograms?? Thanks
Hello Dr. Z Could you please help us?! The procedure that was done is a contrast injection of the peritoneal dialysis catheter under fluroscopy. The catheter was not functioning properly, the doctor wanted to see where the problem was. Would 36598 be appropriate, or should we go to an unlisted code? Thanks!!! Mindi Neeley Team Leader Coding
Dr. Z. Which is the appropriate code to use for the injection of Yttrium-90, 77778 or 79445 during a Theraspheres embolization? The doc from Nuc Med comes up and injects the Theraspheres. The confusion stems from 77778 being a Rad Oncology code. Thanks, Judy A.
During a stereotactic breast biopsy there was considerable bleeding at the puncture site. The physician administered D-stat through the biopsy need to stop the bleeding. I am not comfortable charging for this injection, as it was done during the procedure for a procedure-related problem. The techs would like to charge code 96372 for a therapeutic injection. What are your thoughts on this?
Patient has right internal jugular vein occlusion and innominate vein occlusion with massive symptomatology head edema, saphenouse vein was harvested, median sternotomy was performed and innominate vein to right atrium bypass was performed with spiral vein conduit. Right atrial appendage was free of any lesion and was a good location for distal bypass, innominate vein was dissected, and found to be hard and filled with throbus. Innominate vein was transected , stump leading to superior vena cava was over sewn with 2 layer suture. innominate vein leading to the axillary and subclavian and jugular was explored, thrombus was evacuated. Next using the consturcted spiral vein conduit with a running polene suture, end to end anastomosis of the vein to the innominate stump was performed. Would you stil use 34502? Thanks for your help Dr. D
Hello Dr. Z, can you please advise on how you would code the following? Pt came in with left brachiocephalic fistula with a hx of cephalic arch stenosis with a stent and central innominate stenosis where previous innominate PTA was required from a femoral approach because the wire would not pass from the AVF. RFV was cannulated. Angio of SVC and RA were normal and L innominate vein was not seen due to complete occlusion. The L innominate vein was selectively catheterized from the SVC. Angio of the central veins revealed a 90-100% stenosis of the innominate vein. Central venous angioplasty was carried out with <10% residual. An attempt was then made to pass a wire into the cephalic arch from the subclavian which was unsuccessful due to the presence of occlusion at the junction of the stent in the cephalic arch with the subclavian vein. Therefore, decision was made to cannulate the AVF. Left upper brachiocephalic fistula was cannulated and an angiogram was performed that showed 90% stenosis in the stent in the cephalic arch vein extending into the subclavian. Venous angioplasty was carried out showing 10% residual stenosis. Would the following codes be correct since there are 2 separate accesses? 36011, 75827-59, 35476, 75978 36147, 35476-59, 75978-59 ...or would the 36147 need to be changed to 75791? Thanks - a little confused.
"Patient comes in and has an embolization of an ACA aneurysm, and a follow-up angiogram shows nonopacification of the majority of the A2 segment of the ACA. Subsequent angio demonstrates thrombosis of the portion of the A1 segment of the ACA and ciling was halted. An internal carotid angio was performed, and the occlusion of the distal aspect of the A1 segment was identified. 7.5 mg of Integrelin was infused into the A1 segment of the ACA. After 10 minutes a repeat angiogram was performed . The A1 segment remained occluded. It was decided not to further pursue thrombolytic therapy and clot retrieval at the current time." Is this a true infusion? Can we report code 37211 for the Integrilin that was given, or is this documentation not enough to support an infusion?
When doing intercostal angios for the purpose of a retroperitoneal hemorrhage, do you use code 75705 or 75726?
How would you code an internal cardioversion through an existing ICD? I understand code 92961 is an open procedure and would not apply, and code 92960 would not be correct either. Can you help?
With the new cardiac catheterization we were wondering how you would code the injection and imaging of the IMA--this is not a graft, but was done to determine the patency of the IMA for possible CABG. Thank you
Please do NOT include any actual patient medical records with your question.FLUORO NON RAD DOCTOR OVER 1 HR: Order Number: 90005 Date of Exam: Aug 13 2012 10:54AM EXAMINATION: FLUORO-NON RAD DR OVER 1 HR CLINICAL HISTORY: Cervical fusion. COMPARISON: None. TECHNIQUE: Frontal and lateral views of the cervical spine. RESULTS: There is anterior fixation of C3, C4, C5 and C6 with prosthetic disc material in the intervening disc spaces. Surgical drain in the prevertebral soft tissues. There is anatomic alignment without evidence of hardware failure. IMPRESSION: ACDF C3, C4, C5 and C6. I do the billing for the Radiologist portion and our hospital bills for the tech component and I wanted to know if I can bill for a 2 view cervial x-ray for the above (72040).
My physician is an Interventional Radiologist. He is the only one on call for one of the area hospitals. He will get called in at all hours of the night for a "consult", which I bill a 99222. During that consult he will usually find that a procedure needs to be done of some sort. The procedure is scheduled for the next day. Medicare will pay my procedure but deny the 99222 as "pre-op or post-op care". Not only is my physician being woken up in the middle of the night, I can't even get him paid for his services. Is there a way around this? Is there a modifier I can use that would help? Thank You, Shannon Dr. Stephen K Liu
If intervention is done on a fem-pop graft and the MD states where in the graft it corresponds to the native artery location, can I code it the same as the native or because it is a graft I only get to code intervention once? In other words he talks about stenting graft corresponding to SFA and to POP. I have tried to find documentation of how to code but can find nothing.
Do I need a modifier on code 93458 for the initial diagnostic exam with the C-codes for the PTCA?
Dear Dr. Z: Is it appropriate to bill intra-operative views with findings which appear to be only confirmatory of the procedure which was performed? Imaging is often included in the surgical codes now (i.e., spine injections) or in the radiological S&I code billed with the surgical component. If the view is for QA purposes, confirmatory only, or not diagnostic shouldn't it be a no charge? Thank you. mlb
I have a radiology physician who does pre-Y90 mapping and MAA shunt evaluation when he infuses the intra-arterial administration of 6.5 mCi Technetium 99m labeled MAA for the shunt evaluation. Is there a way we can capture this charge? I am only coming up with a HCPC code C1204 for this, and I'm wondering if there is an additional CPT code we can use to capture this.
Patient was being treated for a GBM. After completion of cerebral angiogram, a guide catheter and a Terumo guidewire were used to selectively catheterize the distal LICA. A roadmap technique demonstrated best view of the feeding pedicle. Once this was achieved, a microcatheter and Precision Microwire were used to selectively catheterize the distal M2 segment. Superselective angiogram revealed a discrete tumor blush. Once this was achieved, 35 mg of mannitol, after being filtered, was slowly injected. This was followed by a total dose of 400 mg dosing selectively injected into the distal MCA. He does say that this is an off-label non-FDA approved and compassionate use procedure. The only codes I can see to use are either 37202 or 37211, but neither seems to fit. And would I assign code 36228 for the superselective angio of the M2 segment even though done by roadmap technique?
I need some clarification on intra-operative billings…vasc. surgeons sometimes do arteriograms in the OR and then a radiologist or CVIR phys. will also interpret the findings. Here are some questions from one of my cvir physicians…I just want to make sure I'm telling them the correct thing. should cvir/rad be billing a technical chrg. only for interpreting their findings since the vasc. surgeon did the supervision and interpretation? Since I don't normally see the radiology part but I do see and bill the vasc. surgeon, we're afraid of duplicate billing. thanks! So, here are my questions: 1. If we provide an appropriate dictation for the images, what would we be billing for? We may be providing an interpretation, but what about the "supervision" part? 2. If we provide an appopriate dication for the images, would we be double billing (ie we and the vascular surgeon?). In reality, I doubt that can happen. 3. If we are providing a dictation to bill for the "techincal" aspects of having radiology techs go up there, is it sufficient to say, "Please see findings reported on operative report." 4. Is it the norm for radiology techs to provide this service in the OR? I know the CVIR techs used to go up there, but don't any more.
I have a question regarding a heart cath and billing intracoronary nitroglycerin give for spasms. Is this separately billable with a basic heart cath? 93458 92980-LC 92975???? Billable? thank you for any guidance you can give me.
Physician performed: 1) Left carotid endarterectomy with patch repair - 35301. 2) Intraoperative carotid arteriogram (no cath placement documented). 3) Intracranial parenchymogram on the left side. I cannot find any information on what a parenchymogram is other than it has something to do with the capillaries. As it stands I can only see reporting code 35301.
Am I suppposed to use code 37211 (arterial thrombolysis, initial day) for the following scenario? "Penumbra cath advanced to the left MCA. Two mg of tPA IA injected in this branch, over three minutes. Follow-up angiography done, and due to persistent thrombus, additional 2 mg tPA was given over three to four minutes. Follow-up angiography done, and Perclose placed." LCDs are not updated for new codes yet.
Is there a code for measuring the blood flow rate using an intravascular heat exchange catheter?
Dr. Z, what would you suggest for intravascular imaging of coronary vessel by optical coherence tomrgraphy (OCT), not sure if we can use 93799? Thanks
Is there an IR procedure for treating liver tumors using brachytherapy, Ytrrium 90? It is a form of radiation that is injected into the tumor bed? Is there a dosimetry charge that can be billed? If so, is there any specific FDA-approved treatment planning or wordage that is necessary? Also, what about the use of SPECT/CT or PET/CT being reimbursed afterwards?
When the interventional radiologist assists the surgeon in the OR, should we report S&I codes if documentation supports coding? The cardiovascular center wants to charge code 76000 as a way of tracking the number of procedures the interventional radiologists assist in the OR. What is protocol for this scenario?
I haven't run across this before and I'm not sure how to code it on both FAC and PRO side. Pt was brought in for possible DC cardioversion for possible atrial flutter. Anesthesia was provided by anesthesia colleagues. In order to evaluate whether or not the patient had underlying atrial flutter the patient was given IV Adenosine 6mg at 10:04 and 12mg at 10:06 (by the cardiologist). With ensuing bradycardia no underlying atrial futter was noted. Response consistant with sinus rhythm. In summary, pre-op and post-op diagnosis were normal sinus rhythm with cardioversion being cancelled. Do I code 92960-74 or 96374 (IV push) for the FAC side and just 96374 on the PRO side? Thanks for you assistance.
If a patient comes in for a CT scan and requires an IV access to be placed by IR due to "poor venous access", is the 36000 and 76937 seperately reportable? Typically the 36000 is bundled, but due to the poor access and the fact that they are taken to IR for the procedure, does that warrant the charges? The fact that is performed for the sole purpose of administering the contrast, regardless of the reason they have poor access, does that void charging the 36000/76937 seperately?
Dr. Z, I am requesting coding advice about the following scenario in the hospital outpatient setting R neck prepped and draped. U/S used to interrogate the neck. Could only see collateral veins. Tried to cannulate one of the larger collaterals but was unsuccessful. Converted to L neck which was prepped, draped, U/S interrogated. Micropuncture used to cannulate the vein under U/S guidance. Wire placed. Needle placed over catheter. Wire down to IVC under Fluoro. Dilator/sheath to distal IVC. IVC-grams performed. Renal veins level was marked. Filter placed. Completion IVC-grams. Wire placed and triple lumen catheter was placed. I understand that for 2012, the IVC filter placement would be coded as 37191 which bundles catheter placements, imaging and ultrasound guidance. However, I am unsure whether to report anything additional for the attempted catheter access to the R neck. I am also unsure whether the fluoro, which was used in addition to ultrasound, should be reported. Lastly, how would the central catheter placement be coded. It is not a replacement catheter, but it is being placed through the same catheter access as the IVC filter placement and so might not merit reporting of the insertion. Thank you very much!
Are diagnostic IVCgrams (75825) and US guidance for vascular access (76937) still ok to bill in conjunction with 37191 through 37193? Is 36010 now included? Also, if an SVC filter is placed, is that unlisted (37799) thanks!
I’m sorry I was not able to make it the Las Vegas conference this year but I do plan to attend your 2012-Tennessee conference. As always, I always come to you guy with the tough questions. What is your coding recommendation for coding a IVC filter Placement and Removal during the same session and same access? First time I’ve have ever seen this. Patient has extensive IVC and bilateral iliacs thrombus and is on day 3 for thrombolysis. F/U angiogram via bilateral extremity, Filter placed via rt internal jugular, Venoplasty via rt fem vein access, Thrombectomy and Stent placement of IVC via rt inj access and rt com femoral vn, bilateral venoplasty of iliac veins and then IVC filter was removed at the end. Your feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you,